Compensationary Picks

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

Desert Demon wrote:

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

okay i THINK i understand what youre saying, and while its a great idea...but doesnt that mean that teams like the panthers who received the second round draft pick that the texans dont have, would have to wait until 2009 to make their selection?

or are you saying that the teams that traded the picks should be stripped of their 09 second?

cause if youre saying that then that is fine, and a great idea

Big_Z wrote:

Desert Demon wrote:

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

okay i THINK i understand what youre saying, and while its a great idea...but doesnt that mean that teams like the panthers who received the second round draft pick that the texans dont have, would have to wait until 2009 to make their selection?

or are you saying that the teams that traded the picks should be stripped of their 09 second?

cause if youre saying that then that is fine, and a great idea

Yeah, what I'm saying is that they have to wait until the 09 draft to make their 'pick' that they got from that team.

Compensation for the wait could also be given, like maybe 2-3 contract oints or something, nothing major.

If a team made a move, like the browns did they SHOULDNT get a pick. I mean the rich would keep getting richer there.

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

If a team made a move, like the browns did they SHOULDNT get a pick. I mean the rich would keep getting richer there.

I think it's already been voted that teams who got those 'fake' picks, are keeping them as 'compensationary' picks, I'm just suggesting bumping those picks back a year.

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

If a team made a move, like the browns did they SHOULDNT get a pick. I mean the rich would keep getting richer there.

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for the record i never traded my "fake" pick

Big_Z wrote:

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

If a team made a move, like the browns did they SHOULDNT get a pick. I mean the rich would keep getting richer there.

f


for the record i never traded my "fake" pick

No but you traded Brady Quinn there for that was your pick.

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

Big_Z wrote:

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

If a team made a move, like the browns did they SHOULDNT get a pick. I mean the rich would keep getting richer there.

f


for the record i never traded my "fake" pick

No but you traded Brady Quinn there for that was your pick.

How? That makes no sense......... Quinn is a player, not a pick.... His 'pick' in the first of 08 (because of getting Quinn) belongs to the Dallas Cowboys. He has not 'double dipped' and traded HIS 'first' that he doesn't have.

Desert Demon wrote:

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

Big_Z wrote:

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

If a team made a move, like the browns did they SHOULDNT get a pick. I mean the rich would keep getting richer there.

f


for the record i never traded my "fake" pick

No but you traded Brady Quinn there for that was your pick.

How? That makes no sense......... Quinn is a player, not a pick.... His 'pick' in the first of 08 (because of getting Quinn) belongs to the Dallas Cowboys. He has not 'double dipped' and traded HIS 'first' that he doesn't have.

No he traded Brady Quinn right?

The browns traded there 1st for the rights to draft quinn there for he shouldnt have a 1st pick.

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

Desert Demon wrote:

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

Big_Z wrote:

SilverNBlackAttack wrote:

If a team made a move, like the browns did they SHOULDNT get a pick. I mean the rich would keep getting richer there.

f


for the record i never traded my "fake" pick

No but you traded Brady Quinn there for that was your pick.

How? That makes no sense......... Quinn is a player, not a pick.... His 'pick' in the first of 08 (because of getting Quinn) belongs to the Dallas Cowboys. He has not 'double dipped' and traded HIS 'first' that he doesn't have.

No he traded Brady Quinn right?

The browns traded there 1st for the rights to draft quinn there for he shouldnt have a 1st pick.

Um, he doesn't have his first round pick?

What was agreed upon was that teams that DID trade away picks they didn't have (like IF the Browns DID trade away their 'first', which they don't have and didn't do), THEN the team that got the 'fake' pick would wait until 09 to use it, and get like 2-3 CP as compensation for the wait (and making the mistake of not double checking if they have the pick or not).

The Browns got Quinn in the 07 draft, traded their 08 to do that. Their 08 belongs to the Cowboys. Nothing changes. However, IF He HAD traded it away again (which he didn't), THEN the team getting it would wait until 09 to use that pick.


Honestly, the lack of communication from higher up inadvertintly led to this situation.

Desert Demon wrote:

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

I actually think this is a pretty good idea.

Big_Z wrote:

Desert Demon wrote:

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

okay i THINK i understand what youre saying, and while its a great idea...but doesnt that mean that teams like the panthers who received the second round draft pick that the texans dont have, would have to wait until 2009 to make their selection?

or are you saying that the teams that traded the picks should be stripped of their 09 second?

cause if youre saying that then that is fine, and a great idea

that works too, so if like if the Browns had traded Quinn and their 1st, they would lose their 09 1st... only thing is they gain the difference between an 08 1st and 09 1st, which is a pretty big difference. But its definitely a start.

SoxNats08 wrote:

Big_Z wrote:

Desert Demon wrote:

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

okay i THINK i understand what youre saying, and while its a great idea...but doesnt that mean that teams like the panthers who received the second round draft pick that the texans dont have, would have to wait until 2009 to make their selection?

or are you saying that the teams that traded the picks should be stripped of their 09 second?

cause if youre saying that then that is fine, and a great idea

that works too, so if like if the Browns had traded Quinn and their 1st, they would lose their 09 1st... only thing is they gain the difference between an 08 1st and 09 1st, which is a pretty big difference. But its definitely a start.

Yeah, I realized that, 1 year wait isn't fun, so I figured maybe a few contract points to the other team (doesn't hurt players or other picks)?

Desert Demon wrote:

SoxNats08 wrote:

Big_Z wrote:

Desert Demon wrote:

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

okay i THINK i understand what youre saying, and while its a great idea...but doesnt that mean that teams like the panthers who received the second round draft pick that the texans dont have, would have to wait until 2009 to make their selection?

or are you saying that the teams that traded the picks should be stripped of their 09 second?

cause if youre saying that then that is fine, and a great idea

that works too, so if like if the Browns had traded Quinn and their 1st, they would lose their 09 1st... only thing is they gain the difference between an 08 1st and 09 1st, which is a pretty big difference. But its definitely a start.

Yeah, I realized that, 1 year wait isn't fun, so I figured maybe a few contract points to the other team (doesn't hurt players or other picks)?

Yeah that would be good.

I think this about solves the problem...

And Z, about the trade problem, this is what I'll do:

You can have a 24 hr window to negotiate a new trade with yayan and if you guys both agree on a deal before the 24 hr mark, the TC will vote on it and if its approved I'll unprocess the Redskins/49ers trade and process your trade.

That sounds pretty fair to me...

36 hours please!!!

Why 36..

So I dont have to rush a decision.

uh no... 24

Thats kinda gay....

why 36...

im actually really busy the next couple days...can we have untill tomorrow at midnight to try and work something out?

Big_Z wrote:

im actually really busy the next couple days...can we have untill tomorrow at midnight to try and work something out?

if u mean the tuesday/wednesday midnight, then ok i guess.

SoxNats08 wrote:

Big_Z wrote:

im actually really busy the next couple days...can we have untill tomorrow at midnight to try and work something out?

if u mean the tuesday/wednesday midnight, then ok i guess.

okay thanks man i appreciate it

no problem

SoxNats08 wrote:

Desert Demon wrote:

I've thought about this for a little while.

For the lucky teams that didn't have their first and 'traded' away another first, thus they essentially got value for 2 firsts when they only had one, and have a competitive advantage.

Anyways, where would we place those compensationary picks? Would the team with the 'compensationary pick' pick right after the team with the 'real pick'? Or would the compensationary picks be at the end of whatever round they were traded in, in order of worst record?

Personally, here is my opinion:

The "compensationary picks" that are traded (i.e. IF the 49ers traded their first that they 'don't have', or if some other team traded theirs, such as the Colts) should not be kept as 08 picks, but rather, changed into their 09 counterparts. Therefore, these 'compensationary picks' are not longer compensationary, but rather, are placed one year ahead.

Now, I know that we are not allowed to 'trade' 09 and future picks, but I believe this is the best way to keep things from being 'messy' in terms of throwing in picks, plus the teams that 'traded away' picks that they 'don't have', don't get that advantage anymore; they would be losing that pick in 09 instead.

I figure, make a list of these 'compensationary picks', then when the 09 draft arrives, the pick would be (on the game) selected technically by that team, but in reality and on here, it would be the team that got that 'compensationary pick' that makes the selection, then Sox could easily just sign a few scrubs to have the players selected traded to their respectable teams. Or Sox could sign and trade the draft picks prior to the draft, same thing, but prior instead of after.

Thoughts?

I actually think this is a pretty good idea.

how did u post around 12?