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Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:44 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- mksadng wrote:
For all you know the Pats make their sliders 70-30 run... maybe their WRs and QB are so good that even though they run a LOT more than they pass they still put up good numbers...Good try though. For all you know we're living in a world of puppy dogs and unicorns and they control madden which makes the patriots only have a maximum of 10 passing plays per game... Good try though.
good one, resorting to ridiculous hypotheticals to try and counter a point, what a stretch How the fuck do you know what their sliders are? | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:45 pm | |
| - Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- mksadng wrote:
No I was bringing up that Edge is a good RB regardless of what he does in the NFL hes good in madden, you said he wasnt good because hes not in the top 10 so I brought up a couple 90+ players on your teams that are good but are not in the top 10 dont know how that makes me come across as foolish... and yes Justin Miller played good even though his overall sucks...dont know what that has to do with this but edge isnt putting up good numbers, so obviously he sucks in madden to.
because to you stats are everything (Justin Miller case). So it contradicts what you're saying about edge How do you know Edge sucks?
Maybe he's #11? from what we know he sucks, and even if he is #11, hes still below the standard that he should be at if you base this on his rating. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:46 pm | |
| - Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- mksadng wrote:
For all you know the Pats make their sliders 70-30 run... maybe their WRs and QB are so good that even though they run a LOT more than they pass they still put up good numbers...Good try though. For all you know we're living in a world of puppy dogs and unicorns and they control madden which makes the patriots only have a maximum of 10 passing plays per game... Good try though.
good one, resorting to ridiculous hypotheticals to try and counter a point, what a stretch How the fuck do you know what their sliders are?
how do I know what your sliders are? For all I know you're lying and have it as 90-10 in favour of running Ill tell you why you dont though, because it doesnt make much sense to have it like that same reasoning for why the pats would have a pass-attack | |
| | | SilverNBlackAttack Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:48 pm | |
| Larry Fitzgerald 96 3 24
For Aso and Jerry Porter. | |
| | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:48 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
LG Hank Fraley 87 4 29
Logan Mankins/95/25/2
RG Stephen Neal 92 3 29
Justin Blalock 80/4/23[LG ]
OMG! Look at that! The Pats have a better player at every position except RB, #1 WR, and LG!
That means the Pats offense is much better! Look who has the better offensive Line!
Obviously, a team that puts up more points faster, can simply run the clock later!
Again, who know's what the Pat's GM has his sliders at! Maybe it's 50-50 run and pass, and with that OL, LoMo is tearing it up!
Epic Fail! lets look at the OGs, the primary blockers for the HB, hmmm seems pretty close, btw, your point just demonstrates why the pats would lean to a pass attack. Good try though, keep trying to place the blame for why edge sucks, maybe try blaming his agent? Maybe that would work
Epic Failure And thus you lost all your football credability. I'm POSITIVE that you, with that statement, believe that the C just sits around, and that, on stretch plays and counter plays to the outside, the OT are VERY important in closing off the edge. Wow. You just make yourself look dumber. Man, I never would have thought that someone would say that 2/5 of the OL are runblockers... the others just stand around? The C is VERY important, he helps against a NT in the 3-4, and either takes a DT in a 4-3 or moves up to the 2nd level. OG either take the DT or double then move to the 2nd level. OT take out the OT and seal the edge on outside runs. But NAAHHH, Only OG runblock. And how do you know that Edge sucks? It only lists the top 10 rushers in terms of YARDS!!!!! YARDS! WHO KNOWS HOW MANY TDS EDGE HAS? MAYBE HE'S #12 IN YARDS? MAYBE HE'S TOP 3 IN TDS? OR YPC? Look at both Receiving and Rushing. Those categories are listed in order of YARDS!!!!! EPIC FAIL! | |
| | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:49 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- mksadng wrote:
No I was bringing up that Edge is a good RB regardless of what he does in the NFL hes good in madden, you said he wasnt good because hes not in the top 10 so I brought up a couple 90+ players on your teams that are good but are not in the top 10 dont know how that makes me come across as foolish... and yes Justin Miller played good even though his overall sucks...dont know what that has to do with this but edge isnt putting up good numbers, so obviously he sucks in madden to.
because to you stats are everything (Justin Miller case). So it contradicts what you're saying about edge How do you know Edge sucks?
Maybe he's #11? from what we know he sucks, and even if he is #11, hes still below the standard that he should be at if you base this on his rating. No he's not. So you are saying, if SD has LT, and they set their sliders to 90-10 Pass-Run, and LT isn't in the top 10, he sucks? Interesting logic that you are trying to prove. | |
| | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:51 pm | |
| - SilverNBlackAttack wrote:
- Larry Fitzgerald 96 3 24
For Aso and Jerry Porter. Sorry about hijacking the thread, but I never would have thought someone that stupid could possibly argue a futile point. At any rate, no. Hell no at that. Fitzgerald stays, he's my #1 at a position where I have the worst depth at, and Aso is on a 1 year deal. | |
| | | Touchdown Jesus! Starter
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:54 pm | |
| did I say they are the only ones doing the work? no. Its good to know that you have difficulty reading though. I clearly said they are the primary linemen involved in run blocking. The others do things to but not to the degree as the OGs. Especially when we're considering edge here, the guy would definately prosper up the middle more than he would towards the outside at his age.
stop being stupid and stretching my words so you can make some bashing retort to it, its ridiculous and just proves that you have nothing else to say for your own defense. Perhaps you should pick up a book and read about football some more, that would improve two areas which clearly are difficult for you to understand, football and reading. | |
| | | Touchdown Jesus! Starter
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 4:57 pm | |
| - Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- mksadng wrote:
No I was bringing up that Edge is a good RB regardless of what he does in the NFL hes good in madden, you said he wasnt good because hes not in the top 10 so I brought up a couple 90+ players on your teams that are good but are not in the top 10 dont know how that makes me come across as foolish... and yes Justin Miller played good even though his overall sucks...dont know what that has to do with this but edge isnt putting up good numbers, so obviously he sucks in madden to.
because to you stats are everything (Justin Miller case). So it contradicts what you're saying about edge How do you know Edge sucks?
Maybe he's #11? from what we know he sucks, and even if he is #11, hes still below the standard that he should be at if you base this on his rating. No he's not.
So you are saying, if SD has LT, and they set their sliders to 90-10 Pass-Run, and LT isn't in the top 10, he sucks?
Interesting logic that you are trying to prove. A) you're comparing LT to edge... B) I was basing this on stats... C) about hte LT metaphor, I would say that the GM sucks for not fully utilizing LT. And even so, Im sure that LT would be in the top 10 for receptions if SD had passed so often (in the last league LT had some sick receiving numbers for me and I would run heavy each game, imagine what he could do with more passing oportunities) so that kind of defeats your logic here. | |
| | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 5:04 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- mksadng wrote:
No I was bringing up that Edge is a good RB regardless of what he does in the NFL hes good in madden, you said he wasnt good because hes not in the top 10 so I brought up a couple 90+ players on your teams that are good but are not in the top 10 dont know how that makes me come across as foolish... and yes Justin Miller played good even though his overall sucks...dont know what that has to do with this but edge isnt putting up good numbers, so obviously he sucks in madden to.
because to you stats are everything (Justin Miller case). So it contradicts what you're saying about edge How do you know Edge sucks?
Maybe he's #11? from what we know he sucks, and even if he is #11, hes still below the standard that he should be at if you base this on his rating. No he's not.
So you are saying, if SD has LT, and they set their sliders to 90-10 Pass-Run, and LT isn't in the top 10, he sucks?
Interesting logic that you are trying to prove. A) you're comparing LT to edge... B) I was basing this one stats... C) about hte LT metaphor, I would say that the GM sucks for not fully utilizing LT. And even so, Im sure that LT would be in the top 10 for receptions if SD had passed so often (in the last league LT had some sick receiving numbers for me and I would run heavy each game, imagine what he could do with more passing oportunities) so that kind of defeats your logic here. All you are doing is throwing hypothetical bullshit. Yes, I compared Edge to LT. Want a better fucking comparison. How about Larry Johnson? Isn't he a top-notch back? He's not in the top 10, he must suck too, right? And what is this "basing this one stats"? Is that even English? I can guarantee you, if I had gone more run than pass, Edge would be top 10. Reason I didn't (and I did consider doing it), was because I wanted to make Matt Leinart progress more, hence passing more. I can read very well, and I guarantee that I have more football knowledge than you, and more football playing experience. However, this has nothing to do with the argument, so I'll leave it at that (why you even brought it in, my only guess is that you are trying to deflect some of my superior points). Fact remains, I'm a fucking passing team, I pass way more than run, hence, Edge does NOT have the yardage to make the top 10 (which right now is based only on yardage). As a result, Edge might have top 5 TDs, or top 5 ypc, but because that list shows only the yards, you cannot state that Edge "sucks". If you saw, Larry Fitzgerald is listed as #8 on the receiving list, and this is taking into account that I had a bye week. Back during week 2, Bryant Johnson was listed, he is my #2 WR. If you are so blind to not realize that Edge does not have THE FUCKING OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT YARDAGE DUE TO ME BEING A PASSING TEAM, then lord help you. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 5:12 pm | |
| point out one spot where I said something hypothetical. basing this on stats, if you couldnt understand that it further proves that you're an idiot I love it how you're so hypocritical - Quote :
- I'm a fucking passing team, I pass way more than run, hence, Edge does NOT have the yardage to make the top 10 (which right now is based only on yardage). As a result, Edge might have top 5 TDs, or top 5 ypc, but because that list shows only the yards, you cannot state that Edge "sucks".
think about it. maroney has got amazing yards on a passing team, so if youre gonna say that its because you have a passing team then youre gonna have to back it up with something, which you are yet to fully do. larry fitzgerald has got the skill to be #8 though, even not on a passing team. Note that matt leinart is not in the top 10. Cut the bullshit. and saying you know more about football is laughable. | |
| | | Touchdown Jesus! Starter
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 5:14 pm | |
| - Desert Demon wrote:
All you are doing is throwing hypothetical bullshit.
Yes, I compared Edge to LT. Want a better fucking comparison.
How about Larry Johnson? Isn't he a top-notch back? He's not in the top 10, he must suck too, right?
And what is this "basing this one stats"? Is that even English?
I can guarantee you, if I had gone more run than pass, Edge would be top 10. Reason I didn't (and I did consider doing it), was because I wanted to make Matt Leinart progress more, hence passing more. lmao, LJ sucks in real life to, thanks for backing me up without thinking. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 5:21 pm | |
| and can you please enlighten me on how being on a passing team negates from a players ypc? If anything it increases it because the defense is focused on the pass. | |
| | | SilverNBlackAttack Pro-Bowler
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| | | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:01 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- and can you please enlighten me on how being on a passing team negates from a players ypc? If anything it increases it because the defense is focused on the pass.
I agree. Read where I said the top 10 are listed based on total yardage. Now re-read. Now go and see for yourself. Edge could have top 5 TDs and top 5 YPC, but it's not listed. What is listed is the TOTAL yardage for rushing. | |
| | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:01 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
All you are doing is throwing hypothetical bullshit.
Yes, I compared Edge to LT. Want a better fucking comparison.
How about Larry Johnson? Isn't he a top-notch back? He's not in the top 10, he must suck too, right?
And what is this "basing this one stats"? Is that even English?
I can guarantee you, if I had gone more run than pass, Edge would be top 10. Reason I didn't (and I did consider doing it), was because I wanted to make Matt Leinart progress more, hence passing more. lmao, LJ sucks in real life to, thanks for backing me up without thinking. Great that you think that. I'm not a fan of him either. However, the fact that he 'sucks' means that his high 90s overall = suckage? | |
| | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:10 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- point out one spot where I said something hypothetical.
basing this on stats, if you couldnt understand that it further proves that you're an idiot
I love it how you're so hypocritical - Quote :
- I'm a fucking passing team, I pass way more than run, hence, Edge does NOT have the yardage to make the top 10 (which right now is based only on yardage). As a result, Edge might have top 5 TDs, or top 5 ypc, but because that list shows only the yards, you cannot state that Edge "sucks".
think about it.
maroney has got amazing yards on a passing team, so if youre gonna say that its because you have a passing team then youre gonna have to back it up with something, which you are yet to fully do.
larry fitzgerald has got the skill to be #8 though, even not on a passing team. Note that matt leinart is not in the top 10. Cut the bullshit.
and saying you know more about football is laughable. How about I have already backed up why Edge is not A TOP 10 IN YARDS (Not ANY other statistical category, the current top 10 rushers is based on TOTAL YARDS, and I have backed up my reasoning); Now, YOU back up why the Pats are a passing team. And the ONLY way to do that, is for the Pats GM to come out and flat out say, "I have been a passing oriented offense for the past 8 weeks". For all you know, he could be 80-20 pass for the even numbered weeks, then 80-20 run for the odd numbered weeks. Reason why Matt is not in top 10: My HB - Edge 91 My starting TE - 76 My WR depth - 96, 83, 72, 68 Yeah, I'd say there's a reason behind Matt not being the top 10. Also, perhaps there is a reason I am 4-3 and Pats are 6-2? Their defense is better for now, their offense is superior. When you have a defense that forces 3 and outs, the offense gets the ball more. Larry does have the skills to be #8, but if I went 90-10 run-pass, do you think, with a 10% pass offense, and the ball being spread, he'd still be top 10? Laughable. Again, they have a top 10 QB, the best YARDAGE RB (not necessarily the best TD, or ypc), and ZERO (yes, ZERO) top 10 Receivers. Please, unless you know for a fact that he is passing and not running, do not assume so. I am, flat out saying, passing oriented. I know Matt won't be in the top 10, hence why I want him to PROGRESS, which is why I went pass. For all you know, Pats decided to outsmart people and runs the ball instead of passing like some people (such as yourself) think they do. At any rate, with that prolific offense that is geared towards passing (as you said), and that outstanding offensive line, do you not think that when the Pats run draw plays and such, that LoMo won't be ripping the defense for more yards? If the defense expects more pass, do you think they'll put 8 in the box? Or will they most likely play nickel and dime defense? I think that's self explanatory. I'm glad that you think you have more football knowledge, really, it's amusing. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:11 pm | |
| - Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- and can you please enlighten me on how being on a passing team negates from a players ypc? If anything it increases it because the defense is focused on the pass.
I agree.
Read where I said the top 10 are listed based on total yardage.
Now re-read.
Now go and see for yourself.
Edge could have top 5 TDs and top 5 YPC, but it's not listed.
What is listed is the TOTAL yardage for rushing. you said that as a result of you passing more than you running, edge could be top 5 in TDs or top 5 ypc. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:12 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- and can you please enlighten me on how being on a passing team negates from a players ypc? If anything it increases it because the defense is focused on the pass.
I agree.
Read where I said the top 10 are listed based on total yardage.
Now re-read.
Now go and see for yourself.
Edge could have top 5 TDs and top 5 YPC, but it's not listed.
What is listed is the TOTAL yardage for rushing. you said that as a result of you passing more than you running, edge could be top 5 in TDs or top 5 ypc. Why is my thread High Jacked? Did I say lets compare madden players to real life players no. So GTFO if your not going to post about trading with my team. | |
| | | Desert Demon Pro-Bowler
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:13 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- and can you please enlighten me on how being on a passing team negates from a players ypc? If anything it increases it because the defense is focused on the pass.
I agree.
Read where I said the top 10 are listed based on total yardage.
Now re-read.
Now go and see for yourself.
Edge could have top 5 TDs and top 5 YPC, but it's not listed.
What is listed is the TOTAL yardage for rushing. you said that as a result of you passing more than you running, edge could be top 5 in TDs or top 5 ypc. Yes, he could? Something wrong with that? | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:26 pm | |
| - Quote :
- How about I have already backed up why Edge is not A TOP 10 IN YARDS (Not ANY other statistical category, the current top 10 rushers is based on TOTAL YARDS, and I have backed up my reasoning); Now, YOU back up why the Pats are a passing team. And the ONLY way to do that, is for the Pats GM to come out and flat out say, "I have been a passing oriented offense for the past 8 weeks".
For all you know, he could be 80-20 pass for the even numbered weeks, then 80-20 run for the odd numbered weeks. based on what we know (the patriots team) we know that theyve got the second strongest pass attack in the league, theres no reason why they should go extremely heavy on the run and have a 20-80 for the run. There is NO reason to suggest otherwise. Since there is no reason to suggest that the pats would run a run-heavy offense, and there is some evidence to support why the pats would go with a pass-favoured offense, its easy to conclude that they probably run pass heavy since theres no evidence to suggest otherwise! And even if we exclude NE from this, lets talk about the bucs, with garcia and cadillac, the rams with sjax and bulger (although theyre solid at QB, WR and HB), houston with deangelo and andre (clearly a better pass attack with the likes of andre and a terrible oline to run behind). - Quote :
Reason why Matt is not in top 10:
My HB - Edge 91
My starting TE - 76
My WR depth - 96, 83, 72, 68 youve got above average WRs, you are however weak at TE. and like you said, edge is the 2nd best blocking HB in the league, especially when your competition are the likes of garcia, green, anderson and campbell.. - Quote :
- Also, perhaps there is a reason I am 4-3 and Pats are 6-2?
Their defense is better for now, their offense is superior. When you have a defense that forces 3 and outs, the offense gets the ball more. -you have only got one more loss than the pats, and you both have got excellent defenses, the difference is minimal in such a way that a rare statistic is not readily different when comparing the two teams - Quote :
- Larry does have the skills to be #8, but if I went 90-10 run-pass, do you think, with a 10% pass offense, and the ball being spread, he'd still be top 10? Laughable.
no but now youre comparing one of the best WRs in the league to a terrible HB. Now THAT is laughable. Let me put it this way, if everyone ran 50-50, edge wouldnt be top 10, fitz would. - Quote :
- At any rate, with that prolific offense that is geared towards passing (as you said), and that outstanding offensive line, do you not think that when the Pats run draw plays and such, that LoMo won't be ripping the defense for more yards? If the defense expects more pass, do you think they'll put 8 in the box? Or will they most likely play nickel and dime defense? I think that's self explanatory.
-this becomes a moo point, seeing as since you are a passing team, and defenses can realize that, the same can be applied to what edge has the ability to do. And seeing as draw plays are typically up the middle, this applies more-so since you and him have similar interior blocking. - Quote :
- I'm glad that you think you have more football knowledge, really, it's amusing.
-im not the one who though a pass heavy offense negatively influences ypc
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:26 pm | |
| FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT NOTICE ANYTHING.
Why is my thread High Jacked? Did I say lets compare madden players to real life players no. So GTFO if your not going to post about trading with my team | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:29 pm | |
| - Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- Desert Demon wrote:
- Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
- and can you please enlighten me on how being on a passing team negates from a players ypc? If anything it increases it because the defense is focused on the pass.
I agree.
Read where I said the top 10 are listed based on total yardage.
Now re-read.
Now go and see for yourself.
Edge could have top 5 TDs and top 5 YPC, but it's not listed.
What is listed is the TOTAL yardage for rushing. you said that as a result of you passing more than you running, edge could be top 5 in TDs or top 5 ypc. Yes, he could? Something wrong with that? YES! because ypc isnt negatively influenced by a pass-heavy offense | |
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| Subject: Re: The Raiders Are Shoping Aso. Sun May 18, 2008 6:52 pm | |
| - Touchdown Jesus! wrote:
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- Quote :
- How about I have already backed up why Edge is not A TOP 10 IN YARDS (Not ANY other statistical category, the current top 10 rushers is based on TOTAL YARDS, and I have backed up my reasoning); Now, YOU back up why the Pats are a passing team. And the ONLY way to do that, is for the Pats GM to come out and flat out say, "I have been a passing oriented offense for the past 8 weeks".
For all you know, he could be 80-20 pass for the even numbered weeks, then 80-20 run for the odd numbered weeks. 1. based on what we know (the patriots team) we know that theyve got the second strongest pass attack in the league, theres no reason why they should go extremely heavy on the run and have a 20-80 for the run. There is NO reason to suggest otherwise. Since there is no reason to suggest that the pats would run a run-heavy offense, and there is some evidence to support why the pats would go with a pass-favoured offense, its easy to conclude that they probably run pass heavy since theres no evidence to suggest otherwise! And even if we exclude NE from this, lets talk about the bucs, with garcia and cadillac, the rams with sjax and bulger (although theyre solid at QB, WR and HB), houston with deangelo and andre (clearly a better pass attack with the likes of andre and a terrible oline to run behind).
- Quote :
Reason why Matt is not in top 10:
My HB - Edge 91
My starting TE - 76
My WR depth - 96, 83, 72, 68 2. youve got above average WRs, you are however weak at TE. and like you said, edge is the 2nd best blocking HB in the league, especially when your competition are the likes of garcia, green, anderson and campbell..
- Quote :
- Also, perhaps there is a reason I am 4-3 and Pats are 6-2?
Their defense is better for now, their offense is superior. When you have a defense that forces 3 and outs, the offense gets the ball more. 3. -you have only got one more loss than the pats, and you both have got excellent defenses, the difference is minimal in such a way that a rare statistic is not readily different when comparing the two teams
- Quote :
- Larry does have the skills to be #8, but if I went 90-10 run-pass, do you think, with a 10% pass offense, and the ball being spread, he'd still be top 10? Laughable.
4. no but now youre comparing one of the best WRs in the league to a terrible HB. Now THAT is laughable. Let me put it this way, if everyone ran 50-50, edge wouldnt be top 10, fitz would.
- Quote :
- At any rate, with that prolific offense that is geared towards passing (as you said), and that outstanding offensive line, do you not think that when the Pats run draw plays and such, that LoMo won't be ripping the defense for more yards? If the defense expects more pass, do you think they'll put 8 in the box? Or will they most likely play nickel and dime defense? I think that's self explanatory.
5. -this becomes a moo point, seeing as since you are a passing team, and defenses can realize that, the same can be applied to what edge has the ability to do. And seeing as draw plays are typically up the middle, this applies more-so since you and him have similar interior blocking.
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- I'm glad that you think you have more football knowledge, really, it's amusing.
6. -im not the one who though a pass heavy offense negatively influences ypc 1. Exactly my point. Everyone expects a passing attack from the Pats, sets their D up as such, and.... Pats GM decides to outsmart them and go more run. Proof? Lomo is #1 in yardage, Brady is top 10 only, and NO Receiver in top 10 for NE. 2. Yes, Edge is the 2nd best pass blocking HB. Not sure if that is supposed to make THAT much of a difference in a passing offense, when HB sometimes run patterns themselves (and how that improves accuracy...)... And I beg to differ. I have (imo) a top 3 WR, after that, a suitable #2, but then my depth is horrendous. If you didn't know, often times, pass plays have 3, 4, even 5 WR. I have NOBODY beyond Larry and BJ. Yes, my TEs, while young, at this point, suck. That hurts both passing and rushing. 3. I do have 1 more loss than NE, but did you casually forget that they also have 2 more wins? While we both have strong defenses, the Pats O is far superior than mine. 4. Who said I am comparing a WR to a HB? Here is the quote: - Quote :
- Larry does have the skills to be #8, but if I went 90-10 run-pass, do you think, with a 10% pass offense, and the ball being spread, he'd still be top 10? Laughable.
In case you forgot, Larry Fitzgerald's first name is Larry. As I was saying, in a 90-10 run-pass, with that little passing, and the fact that not every pass is going to go his way, there is NO WAY Larry (Fitzgerald, since obviously someone has difficulty understanding) would be a top 10 WR. It's what I've been trying to say. It's not that they suck, its the fact that they won't get the yardage that other players get in offenses that are more geared for them. And if everyone ran 50-50, yes, Larry COULD be a top 10 (kinda depends on the QB as well), and Edge COULD be in the top 10. Other things to note: OL, other playmakers. 5. Again, while Edge could have the opportunity, who says I don't run 100-0 pass? or 90-10 pass, where Edge barely gets any touches? Draws were simply one example; you do know that there are run plays to the outside out of a shotgun formation, right? Not only that, but playaction passes could make a defense think twice coming up -- this leads to when an actual run occurs, defenses react slower. 6. Tell me exactly (and quote me) where I said a passing oriented offense negatively influences YPC? I'll be waiting for eternity. One of my quotes was: - Quote :
- I agree.
Read where I said the top 10 are listed based on total yardage.
Now re-read.
Now go and see for yourself.
Edge could have top 5 TDs and top 5 YPC, but it's not listed.
What is listed is the TOTAL yardage for rushing. Yes, Edge could have a top 5 YPC. It could be 8.0 for all we know. But with my passing offense, that 8.0 ypc is because Edge touches the ball less. Do the math - Edge touches the ball 10 times in a game. 8.0 ypc makes that 80 yards per game. I have played, up to week 8, 7 games (1 bye week). 7 times 80 is 560 yards. That is 560 TOTAL yards, with 8.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Now let's look at the statistics: https://madden360league.forummotion.com/statistics-f18/top-10-rushers-as-of-week-8-t951.htmName (Team) - Yards - TDs - YPC 1. Laurence Maroney (NE) - 988 - 4 - 4.6 2. Willie Parker (PIT) - 905 - 9 - 6.0 3. LaDanian Tomlinson (SD) - 846 - 7 - 6.8 4. Frank Gore (SF) - 817 - 5 - 4.8 5. Willis McGahee (BAL) - 812 - 4 - 4.9 6. Michael Turner (ATL) - 870 - 9 - 5.0 7. DeAngelo Williams (HOU) - 767 - 4 - 5.5 8. Steven Jackson - 763 - 7 - 4.9 9. Brian Westbrook (PHI) - 711 - 6 - 5.1 10. Carnell Williams (TB) - 709 - 3 - 4.3 In case you weren't smart enough to figure it out, the Top 10 RUSHING is in order of TOTAL YARDS. With Edge's 560 yards, and 8.0 ypc (and hell, for all we know, he could have 8 TDs), that means: He IS NOT IN THE TOP 10 FOR RUSHING! NOT Because he doesn't have the YPC, or the TDs, but because he just doesn't get the touches! That's why I think Sox should post TDs and attempts, and EVEN THEN we won't know the full story, because THIS LIST is in ORDER, for the HIGHEST TOTAL YARDS RUSHED!!!!!!! That's been my whole god damn point. Edge could be doing fantastic with his LIMITED touches, but if he just doesn't get the ball enough, then he fucking doesn't get the ball enough. I have demonstrated a scenario where Edge could have top 5 ypc and TDs, but doesn't have the total yards to crack THIS PARTICULAR list. I asked Sox once for stats, he said he'll post them at season's end. Lemme think of some other post finishing quote, so that you, being a retarded monkey that you are, can merely copy it, rather than think of something new. How about "Owned". | |
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